Training Session2023-12-25

The Difference Between Sharing and Selling YOUR STORY

Eben Pagan reveals the critical difference between sharing stories to connect with your audience versus processing stories for yourself. He teaches a specific framework for transforming personal experiences into powerful sales tools that build rapport and establish credibility.

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Teachings 9

  • When telling stories to clients, you must 'second position'—empathize and project into them to imagine what it's like to be them hearing your story, rather than just telling it the way you want to tell it

    Eben emphasizes the critical distinction between client-focused storytelling versus everyday storytelling to friends where you say 'oh my gosh let me tell you what happened to me yesterday'

  • The most compelling story framework follows: I tried and failed (multiple times), then I had an insight, then I had a breakthrough with results, then I created a system, showed it to others who got results, and now I want to teach it to you

    Eben demonstrates this with his dating advice story of seeing an attractive woman, getting nervous, walking away, then later learning direct response marketing where instead of getting zero calls he got dozens of calls

  • Your stories must align with your listener's experience—there shouldn't be anything you're saying that your prospective client cannot relate to and identify with

    Eben gives specific examples: 'I'm not going to tell the story of seeing an attractive woman and getting nervous if I'm teaching a course about productivity because that's not relevant' and vice versa with marketing stories for dating courses

  • When you have a really intense experience, it's very hard to empathize with others or think about what's happening for other people, but after processing the story multiple times, you can hop between your perspective and the other person's perspective

    Eben explains that initially after the nervous woman experience, he would never have had presence of mind to say 'here's what it was probably like for her,' but after processing he can tell the story and stop to imagine her perspective—that she maybe glanced over and 'I'm not even a flicker in her memory'

  • The most compelling stories involve multiple failures because it shows you're serious, determined, disciplined, and willing to keep trying—which builds more credibility than single failures

    Eben gives the diet example: 'I tried the keto diet and gained 10 pounds, tried South Beach Diet and couldn't get up in the morning, tried high fat paleo diet and my skin broke out'—this shows you're serious and determined

  • You look better when you're willing to look bad and share your failures, because most people won't get on social media and admit they tried something and failed or were embarrassed

    Eben notes that being willing to say 'I tried something and it failed' requires power because 'most people are not getting on Instagram or social media saying hey everyone step one was I tried this and I failed and I was embarrassed'

  • The breakthrough and result portion of your story is what you really want to emphasize—the specific outcome you got when the insight started working

    Eben emphasizes talking about concrete results like 'I lost 27 pounds in 90 days and here's the before picture and here's the after picture' or 'the phone started ringing off the hook, I got dozens of calls on this direct response ad whereas none of the other stuff worked'

  • After creating your system, show it to other people and share their results to build additional credibility beyond your personal breakthrough

    Eben shares how he wrote down everything he learned about dating in 10-12 pages, sent it to a friend's newsletter list, 'it blew up,' people started getting great results, and his male friends said 'dude this stuff works this is really good'

  • The goal is to condense years or decades of experience into several minutes while making the listener feel like they're learning something at each step

    Eben explains you're trying to say 'hey other person who is where I was, I know where you are right now and I'm gonna prove it by telling you where I was in my life' and then guide them through the complete journey

Perspectives 1

  • Processing your story versus sharing your story are two completely different activities—processing puts a burden on the listener and costs them energy, while sharing gives value to a processed lesson

    Eben explains that when you're processing, 'you're taking from your listener and you're putting a burden on them' versus sharing a lesson you've already worked through and refined for maximum value

Quotable Moments 3

  • when you're processing your story you're taking from your listener and you're putting a burden on them

    Eben Pagan
  • you look even better if you're willing to look bad and you're willing to share

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  • you're trying to condense you know decades you know at least years or decades into several minutes

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How to Transform Personal Stories into Powerful Sales Tools

Eben Pagan's framework for turning personal experiences into compelling business stories that build rapport and establish credibility

  1. 1

    Process the story first

    Work through your emotional experience privately until you can tell it without being stuck in the emotion, but still able to embody it fully

  2. 2

    Ensure story alignment

    Make sure every element of your story aligns with what your prospective client can relate to and identify with—don't tell dating stories for productivity courses

  3. 3

    Structure with the framework

    Follow this sequence: I tried and failed (preferably multiple times), I had an insight, I had a breakthrough with specific results, I created a system, I showed it to others who got results

  4. 4

    Emphasize the breakthrough

    Focus on concrete, measurable results with specific numbers, timeframes, and before/after comparisons

  5. 5

    Include social proof

    Share how others got results when you taught them your system, including specific quotes or outcomes

  6. 6

    End with the offer

    Conclude with 'now I want to teach this to you and help you get those results'

Questions Answered

What's the difference between sharing and processing a story?

when you're processing your story you're not conscious of the other person's listening of your story you're not conscious of How It's occurring to them you're just telling your story for kind of the joy of telling your story and having the attention and being heard

Eben Pagan0:32

Processing a story means you're telling it for your own emotional release and attention, without considering the listener's experience. Sharing a story means you've already processed the experience and crafted it specifically to deliver value to your audience.

How do you make your personal stories compelling for business?

I tried and failed okay so this is um I ran an advertisement and I took the time effort energy to lay the ad out and run it and I spent you know two or300 on it and no one called right

Eben Pagan11:27

Follow this framework: I tried and failed (multiple times), I had an insight, I had a breakthrough with results, I created a system, I showed it to others who got results, and now I want to teach it to you. Make sure your failures align with what your audience fears or struggles with.

Why should you share multiple failures instead of just one?

if you tried and failed multiple times that to me is even more interesting okay so in other words if you say I tried the keto diet and you know I gained 10 pounds I tried the South Beach Diet and I couldn't get up in the morning

Eben Pagan12:32

Multiple failures show you're serious, determined, and disciplined. It proves you're willing to keep trying and builds more credibility than a single failure. Most people won't publicly admit to multiple failures, so it makes you stand out.

How do you know if your story will connect with your audience?

I'm not going to tell the story of seeing being an attractive woman and then getting nervous and walking away and kicking myself for multiple days I'm not going to tell that story if I'm teaching a course about let's say productivity because that's not relevant

Eben Pagan7:52

Your story should align perfectly with your listener's experience and fears. There shouldn't be anything you're saying that your prospective client cannot relate to and identify with. Match your story topic to your offer—don't tell dating stories when selling marketing courses.

What makes a story breakthrough compelling?

you really want to talk about the result that you got when you had the Breakthrough so if you tried seven diets and none of them worked and three of them caused you to gain weight and two of them made you sick and then you you tried one and everything just worked for you

Eben Pagan16:40

Focus on specific, measurable results you got when your insight started working. Use concrete numbers and before/after comparisons. For example, 'lost 27 pounds in 90 days with before and after pictures' or 'went from zero calls to dozens of calls with one ad change.'

Summary

The Critical Distinction Between Processing and Sharing Stories

Eben reveals that most entrepreneurs unknowingly burden their prospects by processing stories rather than sharing processed lessons. When you process a story, you're telling it for your own emotional release without considering the listener's experience, which actually costs them energy and damages rapport.

The Power of Strategic Vulnerability in Business Storytelling

Sharing multiple failures builds more credibility than hiding them because it demonstrates you're serious, determined, and disciplined. Most people won't publicly admit failures, so those willing to share them authentically stand out and build stronger connections with their audience.

The Try-Fail-Insight-Breakthrough-System Framework

Eben teaches his proven story structure that transforms personal experiences into sales tools: tried and failed multiple times, had an insight, achieved breakthrough results, created a system, got results for others, then offer to teach it. This framework condenses years of experience into compelling minutes that establish credibility and rapport.

The Difference Between Sharing and Selling YOUR STORY
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Counterpoint

Claim:Storytelling is about expressing yourself and being heard for the joy of telling your story

Reframe: Effective business storytelling is about consciously crafting processed experiences to deliver value to your specific audience

Eben distinguishes between processing stories (where you're taking from your listener and putting a burden on them) versus sharing lessons you've already processed and refined for maximum value to the listener

Claim:You should hide your failures and only share your successes to build credibility

Reframe: You look better when you're willing to look bad and share multiple failures because it shows you're serious, determined, and disciplined

Eben explains that most people won't admit failures publicly, so being willing to share multiple failed attempts (like trying different diets that didn't work) actually builds more credibility than just sharing successes

Key Points 10

When telling stories to clients, you must 'second position'—empathize and project into them to imagine what it's like to be them hearing your story, rather than just telling it the way you want to tell it

Processing your story versus sharing your story are two completely different activities—processing puts a burden on the listener and costs them energy, while sharing gives value to a processed lesson

0:32

The most compelling story framework follows: I tried and failed (multiple times), then I had an insight, then I had a breakthrough with results, then I created a system, showed it to others who got results, and now I want to teach it to you

11:27

Your stories must align with your listener's experience—there shouldn't be anything you're saying that your prospective client cannot relate to and identify with

7:52

When you have a really intense experience, it's very hard to empathize with others or think about what's happening for other people, but after processing the story multiple times, you can hop between your perspective and the other person's perspective

4:26

The most compelling stories involve multiple failures because it shows you're serious, determined, disciplined, and willing to keep trying—which builds more credibility than single failures

12:32

You look better when you're willing to look bad and share your failures, because most people won't get on social media and admit they tried something and failed or were embarrassed

13:34

The breakthrough and result portion of your story is what you really want to emphasize—the specific outcome you got when the insight started working

16:40

After creating your system, show it to other people and share their results to build additional credibility beyond your personal breakthrough

17:41

The goal is to condense years or decades of experience into several minutes while making the listener feel like they're learning something at each step

21:24

Topics

Business Frameworks

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Common Mistakes

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