Training Session2013-12-19

Be Cautious Of These Personality Types

Eben Pagan identifies three dangerous personality types in business: smooth talkers who can't execute, professional service providers who inflate costs, and 'sticky people' who create dependencies. He shares specific strategies to protect yourself including demanding fixed budgets from consultants and pairing smooth talkers with organizers.

team pairing strategiesbudget managementteam monitoringsmooth talker identificationorganizer-creative partnershipsfixed pricing negotiationssticky people identificationhiring based on communication skills aloneexpecting consultants to executeopen-ended consulting agreementsexpecting loyalty from hourly service providers

Teachings 8

  • Smooth talkers are typically poor executors despite their impressive communication abilities and system design skills

    Pagan coined the phrase 'smooth talkers usually aren't smooth doers' and describes how they excel at drawing beautiful architectural diagrams and describing systems but fail to deliver results over 6-12 month periods

  • Pair smooth talkers with organizers to ensure execution and results delivery

    Pagan recommends getting smooth talkers 'an organizer to keep their eye on them' either through direct reporting or partnership arrangements to ensure actual work gets completed

  • Consultants and advisors are typically smooth talkers who expect you to implement their ideas rather than executing themselves

    Pagan states there's an '80 or 90% chance' that consultants will be impressive communicators who 'pull out charts and graphs' but expect clients to do all implementation and execution of their brilliant ideas

  • Demand fixed budgets from professional service firms and be a bulldog about cost estimates

    Pagan instructs to tell firms 'unless you can project how much it's going to cost then we probably can't do business' and cites an example of an entrepreneur spending $27,000 on trademarking before selling anything

  • Avoid premature trademarking and legal protection unless you have a proven blockbuster idea

    Pagan questions spending '$27,000 and three months of your time' on trademarking 'unless you've come up with a name or an idea that really is a blockbuster and you've tested it out thoroughly'

  • Watch for 'sticky people' who build political systems and create dependencies that make them difficult to remove

    Pagan describes sticky people as those who 'start building the political system' and 'building the black boxes and creating a giant Network thing that only they know how to run' making removal difficult once discovered

  • One in 31 people are under legal system supervision, requiring vigilance in business relationships

    Pagan cites from the book 'Micro Trends' that 'one out of every 31 people is under the supervision or jurisdiction of the legal system' either 'in jail', 'on parole', or 'on probation'

  • Investigate immediately when sensing anything weird with new team members to prevent major problems

    Pagan shares a story of hiring someone with 'a great resume' and 'management experience' who 'quit and decided to take some of the company checks with her and went on a $30,000 shopping spree'

Perspectives 1

  • Professional service firms will switch sides after a lawsuit ends because their business model is hourly billing, not loyalty

    Allan from Pagan's team observed that 'as soon as that lawsuit is over your opponent will call up that attorney firm to hire him for some other thing and they will say great okay fine of course we'll take your money'

Quotable Moments 4

  • smooth talkers usually aren't smooth doers

    Eben Pagan
  • I have been thinking that this has been working the whole time because I've been watching their mouth and not their work

    Eben Pagan
  • unless you can project how much it's going to cost then we probably can't do business

    Eben Pagan
  • we all got to watch our asses in business because there are a lot of people out there that want to eat our lunch

    Eben Pagan

How to Protect Your Business from Dangerous Personality Types

A systematic approach to identifying and managing three types of people who can damage your business

  1. 1

    Identify smooth talkers

    Look for people with extra polish and charisma who seem way too together. They excel at describing systems and drawing diagrams but consistently fail to execute.

  2. 2

    Pair smooth talkers with organizers

    If you hire a smooth talker, immediately pair them with an organizer through reporting, partnership, or support arrangements to ensure actual results.

  3. 3

    Demand fixed budgets from service providers

    Tell consultants and professional service firms that unless they can project costs, you can't do business. Be a bulldog about estimates and budgets.

  4. 4

    Watch for sticky people

    Be alert to new team members who immediately start building political systems and creating dependencies that only they understand.

  5. 5

    Investigate red flags immediately

    If you sense anything weird with a new person, dive right in and spend extra time investigating rather than ignoring warning signs.

Questions Answered

How can you tell if someone is a smooth talker who won't deliver results?

smooth talkers usually aren't smooth doers

Eben Pagan

Look for people with extra polish and charisma who seem way too together. They excel at drawing beautiful system diagrams and describing architectures but consistently fail to execute over 6-12 month periods.

What should you do if you hire a smooth talker for your business?

get them an organizer to keep their eye on them

Eben Pagan1:36

Pair them with an organizer who can keep their eye on them and ensure results. This can be through direct reporting, partnership, or support arrangements to make sure actual work gets completed.

How do you prevent consultants from overcharging on projects?

unless you can project how much it's going to cost then we probably can't do business

Eben Pagan3:07

Demand fixed budgets upfront and refuse to work with firms that won't project costs. Be a bulldog about estimates and require notification before any additional charges beyond the agreed amount.

What are sticky people in business and why are they dangerous?

they start building the political system they start playing political games and building the political system they start building the black boxes and creating a giant Network thing that only they know how to run

Eben Pagan5:39

Sticky people are smooth talkers who build political systems and create black boxes that only they understand. They become dangerous because they make themselves indispensable by controlling critical systems, making removal difficult once problems are discovered.

Should you trademark your business name immediately when starting?

unless you've come up with a name or an idea that really is a blockbuster and you've tested it out thoroughly and you know that it is then what are you doing thinking that you should spend $27,000 and three months of your time doing that

Eben Pagan5:09

No, only invest in trademarking after you've thoroughly tested your idea and proven it's a blockbuster. Don't spend thousands on legal protection before you've validated your concept and made sales.

How should you handle red flags with new employees?

if you sense anything weird with a new person Dive Right In open it up spend some extra time working on it

Eben Pagan7:45

Investigate immediately and spend extra time working on any weird situations. Don't ignore warning signs as they can lead to serious problems like theft or fraud.

Summary

The Smooth Talker Problem: When Communication Skills Mask Poor Execution

Eben identifies the first dangerous personality type: smooth talkers who excel at describing systems and creating impressive presentations but consistently fail to deliver results. He provides the memorable phrase 'smooth talkers usually aren't smooth doers' and explains how entrepreneurs get mesmerized by their communication abilities while ignoring actual performance.

Managing Professional Service Providers: The Cost Control Challenge

The discussion shifts to consultants and professional service firms who operate on hourly billing models. Eben shares specific strategies for demanding fixed budgets and explains why these providers will even work for your opponents after representing you, using attorney firms as a prime example.

Sticky People: The Most Dangerous Business Threat

Eben warns about 'sticky people' who create political systems and dependencies that make them difficult to remove once problems are discovered. He shares a cautionary tale about an employee who went on a $30,000 shopping spree with company checks, emphasizing the need to investigate red flags immediately.

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Counterpoint

Claim:Eloquent speakers with polished communication skills are the best hires for getting results

Reframe: Smooth talkers are usually poor executors who excel at describing systems but fail at implementation

Pagan's phrase 'smooth talkers usually aren't smooth doers' and observation that they create beautiful architectural drawings but deliver no results over 6-12 months

Claim:Professional service firms are loyal partners who work in your best interests

Reframe: Professional service firms operate on hourly billing models and will work for your opponents immediately after representing you

Allan's observation that attorney firms will take cases from former opponents 'as soon as that lawsuit is over' because 'that's their model'

Claim:You should immediately protect your business name and ideas with trademarks and patents

Reframe: Only invest in legal protection after thoroughly testing and proving your idea is a blockbuster

Example of entrepreneur spending $27,000 on trademarking 'before selling anything' when they haven't proven the concept works

Key Points 9

Smooth talkers are typically poor executors despite their impressive communication abilities and system design skills

Pair smooth talkers with organizers to ensure execution and results delivery

1:36

Consultants and advisors are typically smooth talkers who expect you to implement their ideas rather than executing themselves

2:07

Demand fixed budgets from professional service firms and be a bulldog about cost estimates

3:07

Professional service firms will switch sides after a lawsuit ends because their business model is hourly billing, not loyalty

4:09

Avoid premature trademarking and legal protection unless you have a proven blockbuster idea

5:09

Watch for 'sticky people' who build political systems and create dependencies that make them difficult to remove

5:39

One in 31 people are under legal system supervision, requiring vigilance in business relationships

6:09

Investigate immediately when sensing anything weird with new team members to prevent major problems

7:45

Topics

Coaching Strategies

team pairing strategiesbudget managementteam monitoring

Business Frameworks

smooth talker identificationorganizer-creative partnershipsfixed pricing negotiationssticky people identificationidea validation before legal protection

Common Mistakes

hiring based on communication skills aloneexpecting consultants to executeopen-ended consulting agreementsexpecting loyalty from hourly service providerspremature trademarkingallowing dependency creationignoring red flags